Saturday, September 26, 2015

Before I Make This Into A Petition...

As an Anarchist, I very rarely propose passing laws -- but this is one I think we need:
" Any religious organization which holds as a tenet of its faith that its members must convert -- by means including force -- everyone on Earth to their faith (or else harass, reduce to second-class citizenship, enslave or kill any who refuse) is in violation of the US Constitution; and no unconstitutional religious organization shall receive any support – financial, political, legal or whatever – from any government within the United States."
Before I make this into an online petition, what do you-all out there think about this?

--Leslie <;)))><    


Aya Katz said...

I don't think the United States Constitution allows the Federal government to financially support any religion. I would think that this would violate the establishment clause. So no new law is required.

I also think the idea of "an unconstitutional religion" is rather odd. Since the constitution does not rule on the validity of religions and instead allows each to worship as they please, and many religions predate the constitution by millenia, why would any religion be required to pass constitutional muster?

Even "Our Country 'Tis of Thee" in its religious verse speaks of "God our King" -- the Judeo-Christian god being a Monarchist. It bothers no one, because we ignore religion when we deal with legal issues.

Prof. Godel Fishbreath, Otter said...

1) I doubt this petition would get support from the religions you intend to target, they might consider this harassment.
2) One clause makes legal support of such a religion, such as the legal right for that religion to exist, illegal. Thus making that religion illegal, thus this is, as stated, is on the wrong side of the separation of Church and State, as well as the first amendment’s free speech clause.

Leslie Fish said...

Hi, Aya. There's a difference between simple religious pestering (like those annoyances who come to your door offering copies of "Awake") and serious harassment, which is why I included the word "force". Considering your example, religious pestering that it's *easy to ignore* is OK. The ones that don't allow people to ignore them are the problem.

Hi, Prof. I didn't say anything about letting annoying religious organizations *exist*; I'm just saying that they get NO support from any govt. That means no tax-supported military chaplains, no school textbooks bought with taxpayers' money, no "expert consultant" jobs paid with tax money, no tax exemptions, and so on. In short, if you're part of a seriously pushy religion, you're on your own; you get no more perks from any govt. than the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster does. More to the point, if you harass, bully, threaten, etc. anybody in the name of your religion, you get arrested and charged just as if you bullied etc. for the sake of a common extortion ring. Yes, I'm sure there are a few religious organizations out there that would howl about anyone restricting their right to bully and extort, but of course they're exactly the problem.